Of course, we have yet to determine whether there has been a real change in Mark Driscoll's life. They knew exactly what they were buying. "Martin Luther, the great reformer, said this: 'If you preach the gospel in all aspects with the exception of the issues which deal specifically with your time you are not preaching the gospel at all.' I completely understand why you are so skeptical. This can be anything from praying for people over the phone to working in the Online Campus studio. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. He can darn well get used to a lower standard of living. So now is the time ta share with kind folks the destination of their eternal soul? ( As with the dituation with John Mark mentioned in Acts, and the conflict with Peter mentioned in Galatians. So, that is why I think it would have been wise for Driscoll to remove himself from the limelight and assume a servant posture. Here is the gist of Driscolls message: its all about me and Im a martyr for the faith!, Same old Driscoll, full of male bovine meadow muffins. I asked people who were about as famous (if that is what you call it) as him what they thought. what is a person supposed to do? Driscoll was never really qualified to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place he proved that time and time again by his un-Christlike behavior in word and action. Its all good until (insert question or issue). I was shocked and deeply saddened to see photos from the James River event over the weekend. Title I think its much the same thing. But forgiveness doesnt mean he should ever be in the same position in a church again. His most shocking was when just before he stepped down from the pulpit and was in the midst of many scandals, he did a sermon on the many mistakes of Jesus. I did disagree, however, with this one sentence. @ sam: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And I saw it. They are relinquishing 10-20% of their gross income. They stay in and around the very thing that ruined them in the first place. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. I have also heard the thoroughly abusive interpretation of Psalm 105:15 touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. to confer grace through the sacraments. Popularity and attention of the masses is not the right motive for serving the Lord. During this pandemic we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and spiritual encouragement. Even if Houston hadnt properly researched before the demise of MH, surely he must have learned something to have made the decision to downgrade MD from speaker to interviewee. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. So, I read what he wrote, I listened to his speeches, sermons, etc. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. Regardless of your tilt on the subject, Lindell appears to go out of his way to make it into the news on the subject. Our heart at James River Church has always been to minister to people in our community. The church, according to the web site, was founded by three individuals, Mark Driscoll, Leif Moi and Mike Gunn. They are not good for him, and he not good for the people he leads. FTR Hillsong is also Assemblies of God. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. what they are. Why would anyone seek to admire and celebrate a man who plotted to kill millions of innocent American civilians? I also find him vulgar and misogynistic, so I dont see him as ever having been qualified to start with. https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/how-to-respond-to-a-faith-crisis-establishing-and-building-trust/. and that it is ok to debate that point in public. How far can a pastor go in preaching the gospel when it comes to a political issue? Did MD admit to being WWII under duress or was that more mischief from Dark Miscoll? Im sure someone wittier than I can do something with his Training ourselves to sense right from wrong. sheep are watching and wolves coming. Did you miss a tithe payment? Im all for forgiveness but this complete whitewash of history when someone offers up an opportunistic Im sorry is not something I see in day to day life. (He repented quite often in the past when some were afraid to put his vulgarity on their conference stages.Piper shilled for "repentance"). @ LT: He needs a revenue stream and using Jesus is all he knows. In his sermon, Lindell cites several verses to make his No. At his height of fame Driscoll was the bad boy of the Christian world. Pun intended. 21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink. My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. mode. Only the hero. James River Assembly hosted a Christmas pageant last December in the midst of the covid pandemic. I think it underestimates those believers in the pews who are, themselves, filled with the Spirit and do exhibit the fruit of Galations 5. Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. Youd think theyd feel a sense of civic duty there. I dont see how or why the Jerusalem church could have trusted him at that point, even though they might (or some of them might) have believed his vision and repentance were real. (Jesus is a pastor?) I only write the truth about Gateway in order to warn others, never to discourage anyone. @ numo: I couldnt get through Marks sermon.so what was coming up for me during Pastor Lindells introduction was the idea of the Karpman Drama Triangle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle (Persecutor/Rescuer/Victim roles that people bounce around in during unhealthy interactions.) an important thing you wrote about gateway i think. You dont find out about some of the really bad stuff until you are pretty deep into it. Yeah, these are the things that keep me from believing that MD has changed. shuning is not always done professionally as in TVC but so often done whisperingly in churches but the effect is the same to the person shunned. probably just my opinion, and I overgeneralized. Thats right, the head pastor no less! Connection ends, shunning begins and the cycle begins all over again with the next batch of newbies. Gateway also directly lifted the slogan every number has a name, every name has a story.. spiel verbatim from Perry Nobles NewSpring to try to distract from the reality that every member is seen as a giving unit number (no attribution to Perry, of course). And Shifting the Blame. Its what he does. Its so weird and twisted, but people eat it up. He had founded the church in 1996. Actually are pews still in general use? until he says otherwise what else can a person think? Galatians 5:22-23. . COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . i think you are addressing the biggest point actually. James River Church attenders should google What happens if you get a bad teacher. https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/. Did he write (with $200k ResultSource juice job) a Best-Seller on His Humility (chuckle chuckle)? Because for me, it is the center of the practice of Christianity, and I had missed it. I read somewhere that the church that bought, I think, the main campus property has a female pastor. As for my outsider perspective he seems like someone youd want as a pastor if you wanted to get big and have lots of revenue streams. So Mars Hillweve done this in the pastyou probably dont know thissome years ago you all purchased a large piece of land in India that now has on orphanage with 100 kids on it and you purchased the land. People shift roles all the time (Mark has obviously been a persecutor a lot!). Gateway is so deceptive in all their practices. Sometimes life circumstances have to kind of help people do the right thing. Youll notice the Pentecostals elevating him are in their 50s and 60s. Years ago, he spoke from the pulpit against the expansion of casino gambling in Missouri. 34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. I read your comment and have thought about this a lot. I wish he would try to get a corporate communications job or something though. plausible they shoved that in jesus mouth, with that taste on his lips. (the death of Jesus on the cross as written in the bible is not enough, mark adds something more exciting and sickening like they shoved an a##-wipe sponge in Jesus mouth.) So true. All the celebrity has to do is play the victim/repented card. re: Lindells article. Why should we be surprised? ", Meanwhile, here's what was communicated 'Down Under' "Houston, we have a problem.". Posted by NancyAlcorn at 1:06 PM 2 comments. I wouldnt want to walk in his shoes and succumb to the large amount of pride he exhibits, what an empty way to live. actually getting behind the wheel of a car again will probably be the hardest thing he does, if he ever even wants to drive again. In your mega travels, Lydia, whats the biggest honorarium from tithe dollars you have been privy to? 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight. Did you miss a tithe payment? Likewise, in house churches sin happens because people will be people. (Note I did not diagnose) I do believe seen in that light, it makes it simpler to see how he gets by with it and why some who also make their living in similar ways are promoting him. Whatever is going through Marks head, he is bent on getting people to listen to him again and to be heard. Your mistake is in assuming that Driscoll was there to deliver a sermon. In 2002, Agathos began as a ministry to rescue orphans in Africa during the peak of the out-of-control HIV/AIDS crisis. Thats why every post they make against corrupt churches matters. Location. I dont view it as cynicism although I do joke about it that way around Christians to head off the backlash. Last week GW was desperately trying to give away as many copies as possible of some book COO Tom Lane wrote called Letters From a Dad to a Graduate. The text is not prescriptive. I am not the judge of the hearts of men, but God has given us clues to the genuine presence of the Spirit, and I did not see it. Thats how reasonable people see past the wicked. http://mercysurvivors.com/2014/03/06/mercy-ministries-peru-309k-and-no-cherry/#more-1348. Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. With BHouston, JLindell and MD there is no hope. But we dont know yet for sure. District. In your mega travels Lydia, is this homogenization of bad practices the norm? I have read both accounts that Che was short for Chancho and also a play on his habitually calling everyone che which is slang for pal/friend etc. Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. Pastors that dont understand the devestation they cause by playing God in peoples lives, especially women and childrens lives, have no business calling themselves christians and certainly shouldnt be in positions where people might think they are speaking for God Himself when they tell them how to live. Prayer Requests we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. Join us LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm and 7pm! With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. I asked where he got such information. So I can see why some churches would want him on board. i think He has some Jesus in him, it just gets mixed up with other stuff. Bob, I loved your comment. We are passionate about . You are so spot on. I didnt feel pressured. He was a mass murdering thug. Yes, thanks for this. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. And so on. Over the next two Sundays he will continue to remind people to vote Yes and to take a Yes sign for their yard. There is a very strong argument for both priests and politicians to have both life and work experience before they enter the fray, however this is the age of the career priest and pollie. James River is a mega church. The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. They noted that since the pandemic began, they have taken very stringent precautions at each service, including: take temperatures at the door, fog-sanitize their auditorium, sanitize the childrens areas and common areas multiple times daily and provide masks to everyone who attends. and humility i think is something that is a mark of a true christian that cant be faked, it always looks fake when people try to do that. jamesriver.org [email protected] (417) 581-5433; At James River Assembly we're focused.Upward in Worship, Inward in Commitment and Outward in Evangelism. Eye Hath Not Seen, Nor Ear Heard What He hath prepared for those who love Him?. Something has gone seriously wrong in Mega-Land and it aint just thinking about having MD speak at one of their conferences. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility, and genuine interest in people. COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . By and large, our local churches have been great examples of staying emotionally connected while protecting one another in this pandemicthis example does not do those congregations justice., I stg we're the dumbest country in world. According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. The Washington Post published the following headline last Sunday: Controversial preacher Mark Driscoll stripped from megachurch Hillsong conference lineup link. . Your comment about magic words reminded me of Simon the Magician in Acts who was so popular and had all kinds of attention because of his magic performances. Is to be- The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. The Rev. There is an old belief in bapto-evangelico circles that one of the criticisms that could for sure be said against certain other christian religious traditions is that they have priests and we do not, because they let the priests tell them what to do and influence them too much but in our way of doing things that does not happen. From my perspective, the problem with Driscolls repentance is the same as the problem with the Chandler apology. My Comment was Deleted What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. And we in the real world of Jobs & Lives have to deal with the resulting Speshul Little Snowflakes. It is anguish because i love them, and see the pain of all three of them. The lack of regard for the masking ordinance and therefore its fellow community members by this venue and its occupants is not condoned by the CCHD, the agency said. Return to homepage. Its easy to be friendly, humble, attentive, polite, , to your peers and to your superiors. If there is one thing I think is missing from the entire narrative of interpreting scripture it is the theme of wisdom running through it from Genesis on. Youll see they have no standards regarding truth, salt of light. @ Bridget: Only when inquiring about membership was their any discussion of W2s and the appropriate amount to tithe. So, where are the reasonable people? Maybe that offends me and not you because I believe he lied all along about Jesus Christ and I am hoping to convince people of that? Association of Related Churches I'm in on that. I would hope we should higher standards than that. Dont miss the title of Lindells May 16, 2014 blog entry: notable pastors have been pouring into his life. hee hee. ), Warren Throckmorton quickly put up a post on this development and featured the following video. You would have thought Piper would have caught on at some point. Here me in this, the issue is Jesus. Totally. believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. I dont think people that have fallen for false teachers are stupid, i think instead it reflects the degree of deceit in the false teachers and the seriousnes of the manipulations being used. 15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. I wonder how much of this concern over gay rights is to deflect people from considering their own deficiencies. In case this was not a rhetorical question, the correct answer is entertainment. It shouldnt be about raw numbers of attenders and financial statements if it is a true church. I dont think Christians have to throw out common sense/reason/logic. Edit: Thank you to everyone who commented. How can a reasonable person look past that? The kid starts expecting it. he sees God. Great insight. So quick question if anyone wants to take a whack at it. Ill be honest I dont see Christ in it. 99,693 were here. people have said to stay involved in churches to keep them encouraged to follow the Lord and speak up if they are going away towards money and corruption, that is no longer even possible, you can get shunned slandered and prob threats to your life for speaking up anymore. I think what became public is enough to realize they are not safe, not mature but toxic and have been all along.
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